23 10 247 https://accounts.ulster.ac.uk/repo24/files/original/51a9dbc48af61e10a7cb01d507b8fafa.pdf 32c5ae823113c702c93cb33a2b733390 PDF Text Text Interviewer: You told me that you... you actually told a number of people at that talking of the troubles meeting, that you had what you considered to be a very cross-community childhood – the Shankill, Kashmir street... 2: That’s right. Interviewer: The interesting thing, I think the contrast for you was that your husband didn’t really grow up in any Catholic premise at all, actually. 2: That’s right. He grew up in – his grandmother lived in the opposite side of the Shankill, up Agnes street, and Eddy would have spent his, as his mum and dad worked there, he would have spent his days after school near his grannies; so that’s what he would have though as his playground as such when he was growing up. We lived on the other side in Sugarfield Street and if you walk down Sugarfield Street and across Cooper Street it took you straight into the Kashmir Road – and that was our playground. There was also a place where children, both Catholic and Protestant children would have all assembled. We called it the meadow but it was the old run-off of the mills, god knows what was in it. It was sort of what ran out of – you know the waste from the mill ran out into it. It was really just a dirty old river with bricks and bits of fish heads lying in it and there were two sorts of slopes or mucky banks ran down to it – and of course that’s where we spent all of our time – wet days or dry days, it didn’t matter. The “meadow” It was far removed from a meadow [Laughter] you know in your mind’s eye you say the word meadow and it describes a beautiful place. It wasn’t a beautiful place but we loved it. We absolutely loved it. So, the Catholic children from the area would have been there with the Protestant children, so we’d have all been playing there anyway. But I remember going up the Kashmir Road to call for people, you know, wrap their doors and I also remember swinging on the Clonard gates waiting on people coming out of mass as you’d have called for them while they were at mass and we’d just come down and play outside the chapel waiting on them coming out. Interviewer: And why was it different for your husband? 2: He didn’t know any Catholics; it was just the lay of the land sort of thing. Interviewer: And did he grow up far from you? 2: No, well Agnes Street is just five minutes walk from our house Interviewer: But that was enough? 2: That was enough. Agnes Street runs from the Shankill up to the Crumlin Road, you know. It must have been just a highly, a densely Protestant area, because Eddie said he didn’t meet a Catholic person until he went to work. And he wouldn’t have been brought up in a Loyalist type of household, even though his daddy was a country man and quite often people from the country were quite staunch in their beliefs, you know one way or the other. But Eddie wouldn’t have had that dyed-in-the-wool Protestant type of upbringing anyway but he had just never played with Catholic children – it wasn’t part of his childhood. �Interviewer: Just to go off in a completely different tack altogether, if you don’t mind. I don’t know if you remember this or not but you told a story about a woman helping getting home by getting through the house beside Forthspring... 2*: Yes I do, that was Sandra. I haven’t seen Sandra in years. Sandra worked in the hospital and when the gates went up at the bottom of Workman’s Avenue – they were closed, I think at suppertime. She was talking to me one day and saying about to get home she had to go all the way into town because the gates were closed. So she lived round the corner there at the bottom of Woodvale Avenue and if she was working a late shift or had to work in... Interviewer: She was working in the Royal? 2: She was working in the Royal. When she got up to the gates then, they would have been closed – she never knew if they were going to be closed or not, so she just always had to assume that they’d be closed. So she had to get the bus down into town and then a bus up the Shankill Road. So it put an hour on her working day really, you know? Whereas if she’d been able to go through the gate, you know, ten minutes it would have taken to walk up the road here. And I happened to say to her that I knew Paddy and May who lived in the house there, you know, they lived in the house beside Forthspring and I took her round one night and introduced her to them. Xxxxx. But the back of their house was on the other side of the peace line, so they had an entrance that took you out into Workman Avenue, so they said to Sandra, “Certainly, no problem”, so she used to walk up, if the gate was locked, wrapped Paddy and May’s door and they took her through the house and through the back door and out into Workman Avenue [Laughter] It’s amazing, like, you know. It’s a bit like Forthspring itself; you know the front of it is on one side of the peace line and the back of it on the other. It literally straddles the peace line. ----------------------------------- Interviewer: You told me a very tragic event, it must be one of the earliest killings of the troubles; the three soldiers that were killed, and it seemed so odd to you because you were laughing... 2: Yes I was laughing because I was watching Ronan, it must have been a Sunday night and Ronan and Martins laugh-in was a big, big thing – there was nothing comparable to it here and I can remember that particular night, my aunt Miriam was there... Do you know what year that happened? Interviewer: I think it might have been as early as 1971 or 1972; kind of when the IRA campaign first got started. 2: I know it was a long time ago, but our house was actually quite full; Eddies’ granny was there and my aunt Muriel, Eddie’s son and his mummy and daddy were probably there too. I can remember we had the light out as people used to switch the light off to watch television here, in the old days [Laughter]. I remember us all sitting... we had quite a big television at the time, it was a 26” TV; 19 was sort of the �standard then. I don’t know if that’s why they were over or if they were just over visiting; I’ve no idea. But we were watching Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-in and that particular night... there was an actor, I think it was Masteranni, I’m not sure – something like that - a dark curly-haired Italian, he played some light-hearted roles in some of the films we seen him in. But he was on this show and Goldie Hawn used to be on but he [Masteranni] had been very good and very interesting in the show, at the end of Laughin there was always a really silly, funny thing with which they closed the show... as I say there’s this big heart-throb actor, as he was, stopping with the dark curly hair and somebody reached out and pulled his wig off and he was baldy! It was a bit of a shock but it was hilarious and we were all sitting doubled up laughing while the credits were running and they interrupted the end of the programme to make the announcement that there had been three soldiers killed over Ligoniel. Interviewer: Yes; up on the mountains. 2: And I remember the older others telling me, as I was an awful giggler as a younger person, they were sort of telling me shut up, you know “shut up till we hear this” and they, being sort of caught up in this laughter and finding it hard just to stop laughing, and that’s what it was... the three soldiers it was the strangest sensation going from being doubled up in two laughing at something to hearing the horrific news... and two of them were brothers, two brothers and a friend. So I can remember that as clearly as it was yesterday, though it was over forty years ago is it? Interviewer: It is over forty years ago, yes. 2: But it was just that very strange thing of going from hilarious laughter; it wasn’t just a giggle it was like hilarious laughter. And then they broke the news – interrupting the credits which was quite a common thing –“We interrupt this programme...” to, you know. Sometimes it was just to call keyholders back if there’d be incendiaries or something found. You know it was quite a common thing for programmes to be interrupted and I remember that very clearly and how sad it was, you know, and they were very young men, they were young fellows. It’s surprising how clear a memory it still is, more than half of my life ago Interviewer: Thank you very much for coming. 2: No problem. � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource 5 Decades Project (collection) Description An account of the resource "Forthspring has worked since 1997 to build relationships between neighbouring Protestant and Catholic communities in West Belfast. The 5 Decades Project grew out of a desire to examine these communities' very different experience of living through the 'Troubles', with the goal of developing a shared, but not agreed, account of the conflict and its impact. Experiences and memories were gathered through storytelling in small groups from the same community background, roughly structured around the 5 decades beginning with the 1960s. There were also opportunities to share and hear stories from other communities. Over 150 people have taken part." Forthspring 5 Decades Project. (2014). 'Talking About The Troubles'. (Rear cover) Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Forthspring Inter Community Group Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 20+ interviews (leading to 80 stories in the published book) Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 6 Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. Yes (signed 12 November 2014) Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. No Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Publication A book, article, monograph etc. Author Author of the publication Pam Date Type Publication, Submission, Completion date etc. 2014 Publication Title Full title of publication, as it appears on item. Transcript of audio interview. Publication Status Published, in Press, Unpublished, etc. Unpublished Number of Pages 3 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Untitled Story, by Pam (story transcript).. Description An account of the resource Transcript (PDF) of the audio recording of interview with Pam which was recorded as part of the 5 Decades Project. The project was conducted by Forthspring Inter Community Group. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Forthspring Inter Community Group Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF version of transcript Language A language of the resource English Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Catalogue ID Non DC - ID for the Catalogue entry that relates to this entry 2232 5 Decades Forthspring Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Border Roads (collection) Description An account of the resource The Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project compiled a collection of stories related to life on either side of the border when many of the unapproved border roads were closed during the conflict. The intention was to all people to "express their feelings in relation to the the closure of border roads and the impact it had on their lives" (from the project flyer). (The stories have been deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but they have a 'delayed access' date. However, the stories are available to view at the Border Roads website.) Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Subject The topic of the resource story-telling, personal accounts Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived http://www.borderroadmemories.com/ Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant The border, and border counties, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Date Formed Non DC - The year in which the organisation was first formed. Project began in 2012 and ended in 2014. Organisation Non DC - Name of the organisation. Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Contact Non DC - Contact person within the organisation. Ciara King Address Non DC - Postal address of the organisation Latton Resource Centre, Latton P.O., Castleblayney, Co. Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Funder Non DC - Name of the funding organisation for the work on story-telling. European Union’s PEACE III Programme, managed by the Special EU Programmes Body. Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 162 (on Border Roads Web site - 16 January 2015) Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 160 (as of 16 January 2015) Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. No Permission Form Scanned Non DC - Scan of permission form uploaded to archive. No Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource The collection consists of stories recorded on video, audio (only), and written. There is also a range of complementary material in the form of photographs and scanned copies of newspaper articles. Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. Yes Delayed Access Date Non DC - Date (month, year) given on Permission Form. January 2021 Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) external Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Story Title The title, if any, of the story or account. Untitled Story, by Pat Kelly Story Available Y/N Yes - click 'View Story' at top of page Story Format Main format of the story (video; audio; etc.). Video (27 minutes 29 seconds) Story Source Source of where the story can be found. The story was originally deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but with a 'delayed access' date. At that time the story was available to view at the Border Roads website, but this website is no longer available. In June 2025 a link was added to the copy of the video that is stored on the Accounts of the Conflict website. Interviewee Surname Kelly Interviewee Forename(s) Pat Interviewee Gender Male Ind Permission Form Yes/No - Individual permission form signed and returned to Accounts. Yes (signed 25 November 2014) Themes/Topics Mentioned Major Themes/Topics first, then sub-themes and topics. Border road closures Places Mentioned Places mentioned: cities, towns, villages, etc. Carrickasticken - Kilcurry, Carrickedmond, Carrickastickan, Armagh/Louth Other Keywords Other keywords mentioned in the interview. Borders (Frontiers); Borders Region; Boundaries; unapproved roads; border crossings Ind Delay Access Y/N Y/N for individual story-teller delayed access request (check signed permission form) No Religion Religion / denomination that the interviewee was brought up in. Catholic Home Address If publicly available, record address (not house number) of interviewee at the time of the interview. Dundalk, Republic of Ireland. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Untitled Story, by Pat Kelly (story details) Description An account of the resource One of the interviews recorded as part of the Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project. The project focused on the border road closures during the period of the conflict. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Border Roads project, Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Subject The topic of the resource Border road closures during the Northern Ireland conflict Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived https://accounts.ulster.ac.uk/acc-videos/Louth/louth010_720p_full_edit.m4v Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Video Language A language of the resource English Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context louth010 Border Roads Latton Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Border Roads (collection) Description An account of the resource The Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project compiled a collection of stories related to life on either side of the border when many of the unapproved border roads were closed during the conflict. The intention was to all people to "express their feelings in relation to the the closure of border roads and the impact it had on their lives" (from the project flyer). (The stories have been deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but they have a 'delayed access' date. However, the stories are available to view at the Border Roads website.) Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Subject The topic of the resource story-telling, personal accounts Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived http://www.borderroadmemories.com/ Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant The border, and border counties, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Date Formed Non DC - The year in which the organisation was first formed. Project began in 2012 and ended in 2014. Organisation Non DC - Name of the organisation. Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Contact Non DC - Contact person within the organisation. Ciara King Address Non DC - Postal address of the organisation Latton Resource Centre, Latton P.O., Castleblayney, Co. Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Funder Non DC - Name of the funding organisation for the work on story-telling. European Union’s PEACE III Programme, managed by the Special EU Programmes Body. Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 162 (on Border Roads Web site - 16 January 2015) Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 160 (as of 16 January 2015) Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. No Permission Form Scanned Non DC - Scan of permission form uploaded to archive. No Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource The collection consists of stories recorded on video, audio (only), and written. There is also a range of complementary material in the form of photographs and scanned copies of newspaper articles. Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. Yes Delayed Access Date Non DC - Date (month, year) given on Permission Form. January 2021 Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) external Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Story Title The title, if any, of the story or account. Untitled Story, by Pat Treanor (story details) Ind Permission Form Yes/No - Individual permission form signed and returned to Accounts. Yes (signed; no date) Story Available Y/N Yes - click 'View Story' at top of page Story Format Main format of the story (video; audio; etc.). Video (17 minutes 25 seconds) Story Source Source of where the story can be found. The story was originally deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but with a 'delayed access' date. At that time the story was available to view at the Border Roads website, but this website is no longer available. In June 2025 a link was added to the copy of the video that is stored on the Accounts of the Conflict website. Interviewee Surname Treanor Interviewee Forename(s) Pat Interviewee Gender Male Published Format Video; Audio; Document; Image. Video Themes/Topics Mentioned Major Themes/Topics first, then sub-themes and topics. Border road closures Places Mentioned Places mentioned: cities, towns, villages, etc. Lacky Bridge, Drumard, Lisrace, Fermanagh/Monaghan Unapproved Road Other Keywords Other keywords mentioned in the interview. Borders (Frontiers); Borders Region; Boundaries; unapproved roads; border crossings Ind Delay Access Y/N Y/N for individual story-teller delayed access request (check signed permission form) No Religion Religion / denomination that the interviewee was brought up in. Catholic Home Address If publicly available, record address (not house number) of interviewee at the time of the interview. Clones, County Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Untitled Story, by Pat Treanor (story details) Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Border Roads project, Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Description An account of the resource One of the interviews recorded as part of the Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project. The project focused on the border road closures during the period of the conflict. Subject The topic of the resource Border road closures during the Northern Ireland conflict Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived https://accounts.ulster.ac.uk/acc-videos/Monaghan/monaghan006_720p_full_edit.m4v Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Video Language A language of the resource English Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context monaghan006 Border Roads Latton https://accounts.ulster.ac.uk/repo24/files/original/8abbcb2db95947fdd92cde84efb214ef.pdf 7de39af40f68b54f075346db5b524b33 PDF Text Text Green and Blue Project Pat Finn Interview Transcript I’m from Galway. And I came to Clonakilty in May, 1968, and I had my full service in Clonakilty apart from my temporary transfers. My first trip to the border was in 1970, I went there in March... of 1970, to Ballyconnell was on the border ‘twas in the Cavan/Monaghan Division, and... we thought we’d be there for a couple of months, but as it happened... the Conroy Commission... was set up prior to that and... the Conroy Commission was published around that time, and the individuals... most of the fellahs who were on the border, there was very few females at the border at that time, but we were all brought back to our stations and for the first of April, because new conditions came into the Garda... police force, Garda force, in 1970, so that was my first trip to the border. Well we knew like ‘twas border patrols, but now I knew where Ballyconnell was on the map, but ‘twas my first trip to the border, and the fact that there was a number of sergeants there, we were in... all different accommodation... and I replaced some of the members from Clonakilty, or Clonakilty District, so... I would have gone into the same accommodation, as they left, so then we would have been on... long shifts I think that time, prior to the Conroy Commission a long shift would be... maybe... nine, nine hours maybe or well maybe even ten hours maybe, you wouldn’t have the same now, when the Conroy Commission came in, this, ‘twas eight hour shifts as such, but prior to that you could have been on longer shifts, and you would, there was... in actual fact you got no, you got no pay for overtime in other words. You could be called out, and there’d be no, there’d be no payment for the longer hours, but as it happened we were... now, I got to know the... the number of people that were in the sergeants and the Gardaí and as well, and I got to know the border areas, now we were told it could be towards the border, it’s one good thing about... all my trips to the border, is the fact that... each individual... that I met... they were very helpful... because they knew like that we didn’t know the border areas, and they also gave us... advice in relation to the people that we could mix with, and the areas that we should not mix in. I would have known a bit about it, but not to the extreme, the fact that you see, sometimes you see people might talk, to talk to you, and they could be... asking you questions, which, which now though I’m lucky enough that time we got advice, in the winter when we arrived there, and now luckily enough again I didn’t meet anybody... that... I got any awkward questions... from. 1 �You had to be vigilant, is right, and ‘twas good experience as well, because... being only in Clonakilty, and I was in Dublin for... a number of months, way back in 1969, and outside of Clonakilty that was, Ballyconnell was my... other station, first station the border, and... again it gave me an insight into what the border was about. You see, the border was totally different to the... Clonakilty, and to Dublin, because you met... different people... that could be... subversive in other words, and in actual fact, crossing the border then, as well as everything else, now you went as far as the border, but you didn’t cross the border, and the border was new to me, ‘cause I’d never been in Northern Ireland, prior to that... and Northern Ireland was, to me, even though I had been in England, and I had met a lot of people from different nationalities... but I did not know people from the north of Ireland, and... also the fact of the criminal activities that were happening there, I would have known nothing about that, and a fortnight was too short, so I didn’t learn an awful lot at that particular time. I went back up to Kinlough in 1971... Kinlough is in, is in north, is in north Leitrim, it’s quite close to the Donegal border as well, and I, being single that time, being single we were sent there for two months, and the one thing about Kinlough that I remember clearly about Kinlough is the fact that there were a number of people living in Kinlough Sub-District... and they had escaped from Long Kesh... so we got to know then individually, and collectively as well, and we did... well we met them different times, and we’d have stopped them at checkpoints, and we were aware of who they were, and... that time, there was very few individuals carrying... firearms... and they would, sometimes you would be accompanied by Army... and then you’d be quite, you know... happy to stop individuals who you knew like were subversive and they could be dangerous, maybe we didn’t know, but as it happened, they didn’t create any difficulty for us, even though they did... tell us that they didn’t like being stopped... and the fact that if they, you know that if they were stopped too often that they could, you know they could get angry... but now we didn’t allow anybody getting angry, because we said we were told to do our work, and our duty, and... it was part of our work to... stop them, and search the cars, and search themselves if they need be. No, no there was nothing found that we, that I, at that particular time, now we did do, we did some searches, but there was nothing found of... in relation to anything that... subversives would need, or... would have hidden, so we don’t know whether they had or not, and these fellas that we knew like that time, came across the border, and they just weren’t, didn’t want to be part of Northern Ireland, because they knew they were wanted in Northern Ireland, and... we... did have some... knowledge, but they will, the [pause] RUC, police in the north knew they were living there, but and we were... we were... kept notes in relation to the times we stopped those people, and who they were, you know, just give them some, and would be passed on, I think it was passed on, we passed it on to our sergeants and 2 �inspectors, and the superintendent, and that would be passed on probably, I assume it was passed on, I don’t know, but we didn’t do it ourselves. Just would meet the RUC on the border, we’d have just general conversation with them now... because again we wouldn’t have been, and see... you don’t talk to people too long... when you don’t know them, and we just got to know them, and we knew they were policemen, and they knew that we were from the south of Ireland, and they didn’t, you know, we just give them the time of day, or maybe just talked about a few things that were happening, maybe ‘twas... about football, which they would be... you know, some of them would have known a good bit about football and things like that as well, because... they wouldn’t know that much about hurling, and on the border, so... and whatever was happening in the areas as well, we’d just have a short discussion with them. In actual fact, that was my first time using the... the car radios, we didn’t have car radios in... in West Cork at that particular time, so got used to them again in the... the two-way, because they had a radio... in every station in the border at that time, and we were able to have communication when we were out, and with the station at all times, which was a big help as well. It was, we thought it was at that time, but... ‘twas very small compared with communication nowadays. Well what we did socially now, we... we travelled, you know to Kinlough, and just before we’d start duty, maybe an hour or two before we’d start duty, and... now, and again ‘twas eight hour shifts, we started maybe on a, ten o’clock on a maybe a Monday night... and then we would finish maybe on the... next Saturday, and we’d go to dances in, the Beach Hotel was one of the places we used to go to in... down in Mullaghmore... and Mullaghmore in actual fact, that was one of the things, place we covered actually during the summer, because of Lord Mountbatten. I was there, there were different times when Mountbatten, the Lord have mercy on him, Lord Mountbatten was, was coming there on holidays... and we would patrol that area, and we got to know him, you know casually now, we didn’t, what I mean casually, we had a... short conversation with him too, from time to time during the summer that he was there, he was there for a couple of months in summer... because he had a residence there, and... we seen him go out in his boat as well, and... some of the people that he would be with as well, you know... again we... just knew him... and we didn’t know very few, we knew some of the staff, but we didn’t know them by name, and he was very nice towards everybody, you know, and... very courteous to us as well, now he seemed a... fine, straight individual, and and... very friendly. We got back into normal routines again, and then that was my, you know, the 1971 was my, I spent two months at that time, and then eight months after I went back, 3 �in 1973... and I spent any number of, I spent eight months at that time, ’72 – ’73... and again we would have done the same thing, but again like I said, we could have Bundoran maybe for, you know when we would have... time off, and we would go to the local dances there, and as well as that, we would go to the beaches in... Mullaghmore, or Bundoran, and we got to know... you see we were only temporary, and we got to know the fellas from the different areas, that would have been nearer the border and we got friendly with them as well too, so we created good friendship, and again... where we were living where, it was quite good accommodation as well, we got well fed, and we got on well with the sergeants that were there as well and they were there permanent, there was three sergeants there at that particular time, and I remember the sergeant in charge of... Kinlough, and he couldn’t have been nicer to us, he gave us loads of advice, and... anything we wanted, and if we wanted change of shifts... you know he would have been, he’d be very helpful that way as well too. We went across the border a few times now, we were gone to... different areas and then the border, but now ‘twas, we went in our own time in actual fact, I went dancing a few times across the border as well too, but not too often now, but we would, we would just, have our identification with us, we didn’t, we drove our own cars, and that was it, we didn’t, you know that... we were, we would be always terribly... careful as to where we went, and the fact that we didn’t want people to know that we were in the Garda force, because we were afraid just of the fact that if they knew we were Gardaí, they mightn’t like it, some of the people that we’d have met up there, so we just kept to ourselves that way. There was no, there was no difficulty... no difficulty for our ID, sometimes we weren’t even asked for ID, But we just made sure that we were, you know that in case we were stopped and we did have ID with us. I went to Blacklion then in 1975, I spent two months there actually, and Blacklion was right on the border, and there was... an Army post as well right on the border, and... again it was a smaller area, and the fact that even though, what I found about Blacklion is the fact there was some members from... permanent there, and they were very young, and they found it very boring, and that’s what I would have seen, that’s one of the things disappointed me, is the fact there wasn’t enough facilities for entertainment, or you know, off time, for individuals who were there permanent, they would have been... get, I know some of the individuals that were there in my time, they had a problem with alcohol, you know, again that was one of the things that disappointed me, now I’m lucky enough again like that I was staying in Manorhamilton, when I was in Blacklion, and we used to go for games of handball, and different things like that as well with some of the lads, so... 4 �Twas just part of the duties, and I, we didn’t worry about it, the fact that we were, we became acclimatised to it, and we got good advice at all times as well too, and we did what we were asked to do. There was, it was across the border, on both sides, and they, there was... the Irish Army were right on the, right on the border... and I’d say they found life boring as well, because ‘twas very very boring, because they, they were doing all their duties in the one spot. No, nothing, nothing... nothing to be alarmed about, now the other thing, the other station I went to, was Monaghan, I was there in nineteen... the 1980s, 1985-86, that was now, Monaghan was different, because Monaghan was one of the... I suppose areas where there was a lot of... subversives there... and we knew, we got to know them, now and I got to know some of them as well too, and there was incidents when, when I was in Monaghan... because there was... two subversives I can’t think of their names now, but they were shot in the north of Ireland, and there was funerals that we attended, and... Scotstown was one of the areas where there was one of the, those people buried, and... the build up to the funerals was, now... that was a bit scary... now not for ourselves, but you could feel, you could feel the tension, the tension that was building up because they, the Garda force knew like that there was a big funeral coming off, and they knew like that there’d be a lot of... publicity and the fact there would be so many people, subversives and lots of other people supporting them, now we, we had no worries about them, deep down, but you could, again there was tension, but lucky enough I think on all the funerals they were at, and McIlwaine was one of the individuals I can remember now, I just thought of his name now, they were shot when I was there you know, and... you could feel again all the pressure... and... the public themselves were waiting for things to happen, now there was... fellahs in balaclavas, they would have fired shots at the grave and things like that as well too, and then there was checkpoints going to and from the, the funerals, you know that I was at, so again, that was one of the times that you could feel the tension again, like I said... and also the fact... that there was always a danger point or the possibility of a danger point. Ah ‘twas tense in that you could feel a bit, each individual was, every individual was going out there was... was tense because of the... possibility of something happening, ‘twas more so the possibility, so... people were delighted when, I can tell you when the, those... funerals were over, we felt sorry for the, you know the people who were shot, but there was nothing we could do about it whatsoever, because the fact that... they were doing probably something they shouldn’t have been doing, and I mean sure they were in places, where they shouldn’t have been. I was in Monaghan two different, three, two or three different occasions... matter of fact I was in two stations in Monaghan, because I was in the old station, and the 5 �new station, because my first time up there was in the, in the old station, and then by the time I got back again... so again we met, now made a lot of good friends there, and that’s the other thing about Monaghan that I remember clearly, is the first day I arrived there, I was told if I, that if I was taking a drink... there was some of the pubs... that I should avoid... and also the fact that... the pubs that were safe to go into, and that you wouldn’t be taunted or asked questions, and... that you would feel... comfortable, which is very very important, and that was great advice again. Oh you could, safety... safety comes, is very very important to each and every one of us, and the fact that you were... because people would get to know you... in a short period of time if you were inside in a pub, and no matter where you went, that you’re a stranger... so and then you would, maybe you went with a couple of more colleagues, and then you like, They’d recognise is right, and they could be, if you went to the wrong pub, you’d never know what you... we were advised, got great advice. I felt in actual fact there was more tension as well too, like Monaghan was... was now the one station like I said, in relation to all the tension when I was in... Kinlough, and Ballyconnell and Blacklion, there was less tension up, less tension because I think the next factor was less fear... even though they... some time afterwards there was an incident, there was serious, bomb, there was bombing in, in Blacklion, but that wasn’t in my time now, but you could feel some of the, you know, this again... the locals in Blacklion were lovely, but it was who was coming and going through Blacklion was the danger. ‘Twas busy, oh ‘twas busy, yeah... so there was full-time checkpoints... It was at your discretion, now again you took, now there’d normally be some of the local... Gardaí... that were permanently there, and you’ll be supporting them, more so than anything else, and the same, any station we were in, and they weren’t, We were lucky with accommodation now, each time I went to the border... in, in Ballyconnell and Kinlough, we were lucky enough that we got... very good accommodation, even though there was... now, one in Kinlough, on one occasion... and one of the time we were there for a number of months, we moved into a house, four of us moved into a house on our own, so we did our own cooking and our own, you know, everything else, which was a small bit cheaper than... getting... fed from landladies and things like that as well, and I can definitely say that... the landladies looked after us well. 6 �The weather in the north of Ireland, I found now, not so much in Kinlough or... well Blacklion yes, in some ways there was a bit, a lot colder, now ‘twas the month of January and February that I was there in 1975... but in 1985 I went to... Monaghan... and the weather was very very cold there, in actual fact ‘twas so cold the first couple, I was only there a couple of days, I went back and I decided I’d buy... pair of long johns, and... because again ‘twas five or six degrees colder than here, and the checkpoints were longer then too, because we, at that time I was armed... I was armed you see, now I was in the Technical Branch when I went to Monaghan, and the fact that you were armed, you’re doing eight hour duties, and... and if you’re there from ten o’clock at night ‘til six in the morning and it was very very cold, and there was an occasion actually, on a number of occasions, I suppose the weather was so cold that fellahs went to light a fire nearly on the side of the road Yeah, keep themselves warm, that’s what we found now, that there was, other than that the conditions we were in great accommodation in fairness. Well we had to keep walking in matter of fact, because if you stayed standing you would get, you’d be very very cold altogether, so what we’d do was we used to go in pairs and... pace the road as much as we could, and everything was stopped that particular time as well. We also did escorts as well too from time to time from the Post Office, from Sligo, when I was in Kinlough, now, the escorts of the mails, and we used to go to the different village, you know we’d be in Sligo in the mornings, especially if there was any morning they’d be carrying cash could be the first Tuesday... and then on the Friday mornings, we did, you know we did that fairly regular from Kinlough, that’s the only other thing I can remember now, there was... I was married when I was in... Monaghan...We had, yeah, we had children in, two children in 1985, ’86 but sometimes they would have stayed in Galway because my wife’s from Galway as well, and they might have stayed in Galway for some period, so then times they stayed in Clonakilty. There was no mobile phones in other words, yeah you would’ve... kept contact with the Garda station, the Garda station was, you know you could ring the Garda station and... you’d make the time, that you’d be there. Well yeah, maybe on occasions, yes... but then we were home on our rest days, we were home for the... two or three days, in you know every week, so that was... 7 �Ah ‘twas yeah, it was two hundred and fifty miles from Clonakilty to Monaghan, but you, at that time when you’re younger you don’t take as much notice as you would, The roads were bad, but lucky enough like, that there was only one occasion that I had a mishap, a slight mishap, when I was travelling from, there was a lot of snow on the road from... Kinlough to Galway... my car skidded and snowed very very heavy snow, and I just... touched a wall, lucky enough I didn’t do... I just broke a headlamp, that was all, It was, but you knew, you see, you would be only away for a week, you know, Come back is right, then you didn’t mind that, and you knew like that things were going... you know, that you would saw [sic] them... regularly. 8 � Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource The Green and Blue Across the Thin Line (collection) [NC] Description An account of the resource A collection of 39 stories that were compiled as part of a project with the aim: "To develop a storytelling project reflecting the cooperation and interaction between former members of Royal Ulster Constabulary and former members of An Garda Síochána along the border from the establishment of the two Police Forces to 2001." (From the Green and Blue website.) Extracts from the 39 recorded interviews were published in book format in 2014. The associated Green and Blue website contains full transcripts for 24 of the interviews. The website also contains 18 interview audio files (as of 22 January 2016). URL Non DC - URL of Organisation / Project http://www.green-and-blue.org/ Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Diversity Challenges Board Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 39 Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 18 Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. Yes (signed: 21 March 2015) Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Published book; and Web site Language A language of the resource English Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. No Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant Police Services; Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland; 1920s to 2001 Publication A book, article, monograph etc. Author Author of the publication Patrick Finn Date Type Publication, Submission, Completion date etc. Completion date 2014 Publication Title Full title of publication, as it appears on item. Transcript of audio interview. Publication Status Published, in Press, Unpublished, etc. Published on-line Number of Pages 8 Publisher Location Place of publication: city / town Website Publisher Diversity Challenges Board Publication Type Report, Book, Manual etc. Transcript Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Untitled Story, by Patrick Finn (story transcript) Description An account of the resource Transcript (PDF) of the audio recording of interview with Patrick Finn which was recorded as part of the Green and Blue – Across the Thin Line project. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Green and Blue – Across the Thin Line project Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource PDF version of transcript Language A language of the resource English Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Catalogue ID Non DC - ID for the Catalogue entry that relates to this entry 2855 Diversity Challenges Green and Blue Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Border Roads (collection) Description An account of the resource The Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project compiled a collection of stories related to life on either side of the border when many of the unapproved border roads were closed during the conflict. The intention was to all people to "express their feelings in relation to the the closure of border roads and the impact it had on their lives" (from the project flyer). (The stories have been deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but they have a 'delayed access' date. However, the stories are available to view at the Border Roads website.) Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Subject The topic of the resource story-telling, personal accounts Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived http://www.borderroadmemories.com/ Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant The border, and border counties, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Date Formed Non DC - The year in which the organisation was first formed. Project began in 2012 and ended in 2014. Organisation Non DC - Name of the organisation. Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Contact Non DC - Contact person within the organisation. Ciara King Address Non DC - Postal address of the organisation Latton Resource Centre, Latton P.O., Castleblayney, Co. Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Funder Non DC - Name of the funding organisation for the work on story-telling. European Union’s PEACE III Programme, managed by the Special EU Programmes Body. Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 162 (on Border Roads Web site - 16 January 2015) Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 160 (as of 16 January 2015) Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. No Permission Form Scanned Non DC - Scan of permission form uploaded to archive. No Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource The collection consists of stories recorded on video, audio (only), and written. There is also a range of complementary material in the form of photographs and scanned copies of newspaper articles. Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. Yes Delayed Access Date Non DC - Date (month, year) given on Permission Form. January 2021 Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) external Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Story Title The title, if any, of the story or account. Untitled Story, by Peadar Morgan Story Available Y/N Yes - click 'View Story' at top of page Story Format Main format of the story (video; audio; etc.). Video (23 minutes 56 seconds) Story Source Source of where the story can be found. The story was originally deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but with a 'delayed access' date. At that time the story was available to view at the Border Roads website, but this website is no longer available. In June 2025 a link was added to the copy of the video that is stored on the Accounts of the Conflict website. Interviewee Surname Morgan Interviewee Forename(s) Peadar Interviewee Gender Male Ind Permission Form Yes/No - Individual permission form signed and returned to Accounts. Yes (signed 1 December 2014) Ind Delay Access Y/N Y/N for individual story-teller delayed access request (check signed permission form) No Published Format Video; Audio; Document; Image. Video Themes/Topics Mentioned Major Themes/Topics first, then sub-themes and topics. Border road closures Places Mentioned Places mentioned: cities, towns, villages, etc. Kenner’s Lane - Rowan, Listinny, Armagh/Monaghan Other Keywords Other keywords mentioned in the interview. Borders (Frontiers); Borders Region; Boundaries; unapproved roads; border crossings Religion Religion / denomination that the interviewee was brought up in. Catholic Home Address If publicly available, record address (not house number) of interviewee at the time of the interview. Clontibret, County Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Untitled Story, by Peadar Morgan (story details) Description An account of the resource One of the interviews recorded as part of the Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project. The project focused on the border road closures during the period of the conflict. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Border Roads project, Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Subject The topic of the resource Border road closures during the Northern Ireland conflict. Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived https://accounts.ulster.ac.uk/acc-videos/Monaghan/monaghan003_720p_full_edit.m4v Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Video Language A language of the resource English Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context monaghan003 Border Roads Latton Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Border Roads (collection) Description An account of the resource The Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project compiled a collection of stories related to life on either side of the border when many of the unapproved border roads were closed during the conflict. The intention was to all people to "express their feelings in relation to the the closure of border roads and the impact it had on their lives" (from the project flyer). (The stories have been deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but they have a 'delayed access' date. However, the stories are available to view at the Border Roads website.) Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Subject The topic of the resource story-telling, personal accounts Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived http://www.borderroadmemories.com/ Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant The border, and border counties, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Date Formed Non DC - The year in which the organisation was first formed. Project began in 2012 and ended in 2014. Organisation Non DC - Name of the organisation. Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Contact Non DC - Contact person within the organisation. Ciara King Address Non DC - Postal address of the organisation Latton Resource Centre, Latton P.O., Castleblayney, Co. Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Funder Non DC - Name of the funding organisation for the work on story-telling. European Union’s PEACE III Programme, managed by the Special EU Programmes Body. Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 162 (on Border Roads Web site - 16 January 2015) Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 160 (as of 16 January 2015) Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. No Permission Form Scanned Non DC - Scan of permission form uploaded to archive. No Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource The collection consists of stories recorded on video, audio (only), and written. There is also a range of complementary material in the form of photographs and scanned copies of newspaper articles. Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. Yes Delayed Access Date Non DC - Date (month, year) given on Permission Form. January 2021 Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) external Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Story Title The title, if any, of the story or account. Untitled Story, by Séamus Murphy Story Available Y/N Yes - click 'View Story' at top of page Story Format Main format of the story (video; audio; etc.). Video (12 minutes 15 seconds) Story Source Source of where the story can be found. The story was originally deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but with a 'delayed access' date. At that time the story was available to view at the Border Roads website, but this website is no longer available. In June 2025 a link was added to the copy of the video that is stored on the Accounts of the Conflict website. Interviewee Surname Murphy Interviewee Forename(s) Séamus Interviewee Gender Male Ind Permission Form Yes/No - Individual permission form signed and returned to Accounts. Yes (signed 25 November 2014) Themes/Topics Mentioned Major Themes/Topics first, then sub-themes and topics. Border road closures Places Mentioned Places mentioned: cities, towns, villages, etc. Back Castle Road, Moiry Castle - Kilnasaggart Road, Faughart, Armagh/Louth Other Keywords Other keywords mentioned in the interview. Borders (Frontiers); Borders Region; Boundaries; unapproved roads; border crossings Ind Delay Access Y/N Y/N for individual story-teller delayed access request (check signed permission form) No Religion Religion / denomination that the interviewee was brought up in. Catholic Home Address If publicly available, record address (not house number) of interviewee at the time of the interview. Omeath, County Louth, Republic of Ireland. Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Untitled Story, by Séamus Murphy (story details) Description An account of the resource One of the interviews recorded as part of the Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project. The project focused on the border road closures during the period of the conflict. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Subject The topic of the resource Border road closures during the Northern Ireland conflict Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived https://accounts.ulster.ac.uk/acc-videos/Louth/louth005_720p_full_edit.m4v Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Border Roads project, Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Video Language A language of the resource English Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context louth005 Border Roads Latton Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Border Roads (collection) Description An account of the resource The Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project compiled a collection of stories related to life on either side of the border when many of the unapproved border roads were closed during the conflict. The intention was to all people to "express their feelings in relation to the the closure of border roads and the impact it had on their lives" (from the project flyer). (The stories have been deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but they have a 'delayed access' date. However, the stories are available to view at the Border Roads website.) Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Subject The topic of the resource story-telling, personal accounts Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived http://www.borderroadmemories.com/ Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Coverage The spatial or temporal topic of the resource, the spatial applicability of the resource, or the jurisdiction under which the resource is relevant The border, and border counties, between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. Date Formed Non DC - The year in which the organisation was first formed. Project began in 2012 and ended in 2014. Organisation Non DC - Name of the organisation. Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Contact Non DC - Contact person within the organisation. Ciara King Address Non DC - Postal address of the organisation Latton Resource Centre, Latton P.O., Castleblayney, Co. Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Funder Non DC - Name of the funding organisation for the work on story-telling. European Union’s PEACE III Programme, managed by the Special EU Programmes Body. Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 162 (on Border Roads Web site - 16 January 2015) Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 160 (as of 16 January 2015) Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. No Permission Form Scanned Non DC - Scan of permission form uploaded to archive. No Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource The collection consists of stories recorded on video, audio (only), and written. There is also a range of complementary material in the form of photographs and scanned copies of newspaper articles. Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. Yes Delayed Access Date Non DC - Date (month, year) given on Permission Form. January 2021 Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) external Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Story Title The title, if any, of the story or account. Untitled Story, by Sean Conlon Story Available Y/N Yes - click 'View Story' at top of page Story Format Main format of the story (video; audio; etc.). Video (17 minutes 30 seconds) Story Source Source of where the story can be found. The story was originally deposited with Accounts of the Conflict but with a 'delayed access' date. At that time the story was available to view at the Border Roads website, but this website is no longer available. In June 2025 a link was added to the copy of the video that is stored on the Accounts of the Conflict website. Interviewee Surname Conlon Interviewee Forename(s) Sean Interviewee Gender Male Ind Permission Form Yes/No - Individual permission form signed and returned to Accounts. Yes (signed 21 January 2015) Published Format Video; Audio; Document; Image. Video Themes/Topics Mentioned Major Themes/Topics first, then sub-themes and topics. Border road closures Places Mentioned Places mentioned: cities, towns, villages, etc. Legakelly Border - Legakelly, Castlesaunderson, Drumboughna, Fermanagh/Cavan Other Keywords Other keywords mentioned in the interview. Borders (Frontiers); Borders Region; Boundaries; unapproved roads; border crossings Religion Religion / denomination that the interviewee was brought up in. Catholic Home Address If publicly available, record address (not house number) of interviewee at the time of the interview. County Monaghan, Republic of Ireland. Ind Delay Access Y/N Y/N for individual story-teller delayed access request (check signed permission form) No Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Untitled Story, by Sean Conlon (story details) Description An account of the resource One of the interviews recorded as part of the Border Roads to Memories and Reconciliation project. The project focused on the border road closures during the period of the conflict. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Border Roads project, Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Subject The topic of the resource Border road closures during the Northern Ireland conflict Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived https://accounts.ulster.ac.uk/acc-videos/Monaghan/monaghan026_720p_full_edit.m4v Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Latton Social Services and Development Ltd. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2014 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Video Language A language of the resource English Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context monaghan026 Border Roads Latton Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Mixed Emotions (collection) Description An account of the resource Mixed Emotions is a collection containing 10 personal accounts / stories about mixed marriage (between Protestants and Catholics) in Northern Ireland. Nine of the accounts are based on joint interviews of the married couple. The accounts were published in book format in 2012. McLaughlin, Paul. (2012). Mixed Emotions: Real stories of mixed marriage, (Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association; NIMMA). Belfast: NIMMA. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA) Subject The topic of the resource Personal accounts / stories related to the issue of mixed marriage in Northern Ireland. Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA) Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2012 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Book Language A language of the resource English Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 10 Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. Yes (signed 13 October 2014) Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context ISBN 978-0-9571669-1-2 Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 8 Permission Form Scanned Non DC - Scan of permission form uploaded to archive. Yes Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. No Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Story Title The title, if any, of the story or account. We don't need to be labelled Story Available Y/N Yes Story Format Main format of the story (video; audio; etc.). Text Identity Provided? Has a proper name been provided? If yes, leave blank No; forename only Interviewee Forename(s) David; and Nuala Language Spoken Main language spoken during the interview. English Home Address If publicly available, record address (not house number) of interviewee at the time of the interview. Carryduff, County Down, Northern Ireland Marital Status Marital status of the interviewee. Married Children Any information about the number of children. 4 children Status Details of status of interviewee during conflict (civilian; security force; combatant; paramilitary; political party; loyal order; etc.). Civilian Ind Permission Form Yes/No - Individual permission form signed and returned to Accounts. Yes (signed 10 August 2014) Story Abstract Text from any publicly available abstract which describes the story. "David and Nuala are in their early forties. They have been married for nearly 20 years and have four children. David is an electronic engineer while Nuala is a classroom assistant in a local primary school. They have known each other nearly all their adult lives." NIMMA. (2012; p.30). Themes/Topics Mentioned Major Themes/Topics first, then sub-themes and topics. Mixed Marriage Story Source Source of where the story can be found. Story contained in the book: McLaughlin, Paul. (2012). Mixed Emotions: Real stories of mixed marriage, (Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association; NIMMA). Belfast: NIMMA. Interviewee Gender Male; and Female Religion Religion / denomination that the interviewee was brought up in. Protestant; and Catholic Birth Country Country of birth if mentioned (or make assessment based on interview). Northern Ireland Current Occupation Current occupation status of interviewee. Electron engineer and Classroom assistant Published Format Video; Audio; Document; Image. Document Ind Form Uploaded Scanned copy of paper form for preservation alongside the stories. Yes Ind Delay Access Y/N Y/N for individual story-teller delayed access request (check signed permission form) No Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource We don't need to be labelled, by David and Nuala (story details) Description An account of the resource Personal accounts, based on a joint interview, by a couple who are in a mixed marriage. Their story was published in the book 'Mixed Emotions'. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Paul McLaughlin / NIMMA Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA) Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2012 Mixed Emotions NI Mixed Marriage Assoc https://accounts.ulster.ac.uk/repo24/files/original/4b0a68158a9c647da5d912658af31253.pdf 08d3dee7111799674dc604080dee3e66 PDF Text Text �Contents Page Introduction 111 Preface V Mixed Emotions- Foreword Vll Say all you have to say 1 We walked the walk 8 Family is the most important thing 15 Go for it and be happy 22 We don't need to be labelled 29 You two against the rest 36 A little tolerance goes a long way 43 xi �Contents Page Our love encourages respect 50 Not enough Christianity 57 Love conquers everything 64 A short history of mixed marriage in Ireland 71 x ii �We don't need to be labelled 29 �We don't need to be labelled David and Nuala are in their early forties. They have been married for nearly 20 years and have four children. David is an electronic engineer while N uala is a classroom assistant in a local primary school. They have known each other nearly all their adult lives. D avid and Nuala live in a quiet cul-de-sac on the outskirts of Carryduff, a small town to the south of Belfast. It is an area where many mixed married couples have chosen to live. "It 's a good place to bring up children", says David. "A place where people get along and get on with their lives". "Yes", says Nuala, "we're lucky to have been able to make our home here, away from Belfast with all of its traditional problems, in a town where barriers have been broken down and good relationships forged. " The suburbs of County Down are a world away from the terraces of North Belfast where Nuala was born and brought up. "I grew up on the city's New Lodge Road, which was a really Catholic district in one of the worst areas of sectarian conflict in the country. I went to the local primary school and can honestly say that I would not have met or even thought about Protestants until, thanks to the hard work of my mother and father, we were able to move to a much bigger house on the Oldpark Road when I was eleven. That was a dramatic change, as there was only one other Catholic family on that part of 30 �the road, although it really made no difference to me or my four brothers and sister. We hadn't been brought up to be 'bitter' as they say in Belfast. Both my mother and late father were good decent people who had friends from both communities and encouraged us to do the same." Nuala passed her Eleven Plus exam and for the next seven years travelled across Belfast to St Dominic 's Grammar School on the city's Falls Road. "There were other good schools much closer to home", she says, "one just 10 minutes walk down the road, but those were the days when Catholics went to only Catholic schools, so I and many like me had to grin and bear it." St Dominic's was all girl and all Catholic, so it wasn't until Nuala, aged 16, got a part-time job in Woolworths that she got the chance to mix with people of other denominations. "I quickly made friends, regardless of religion, and learned what a social life was all about." Two years later, Nuala went to Queen's University to study French and Business and found herself sharing a house with girls of all denominations and none. "Nobody cared what religion anyone was", she says, "and that's the way it should be." Nuala's first year at Queen's was also significant for the fact that at the end of it, she met David. David was born and raised Church of Ireland on the predominantly Protestant Belvoir Park estate in South Belfast. "There were two Catholic families in the estate," says David, "but only two . That's just the way it was. I didn't think about it at all. I hadn't been brought up to have prejudices against anyone because of his or her 31 �religion, although I suppose I had heard all the usual derogatory remarks about Catholics or 'Taigs' as they were called, by the time I went to grammar school. I was lucky in that my parents were not bigoted. Both had Catholic friends. My mum's best friend, Rosemary, was a Catholic who became her bridesmaid, while my dad was a committed trade unionist who looked forward to a time when Protestant and Catholics workers could put socialist politics before bigotry." "Very appropriate then that I should attend what was described as Belfast's working class grammar school, Annadale. It was mostly Protestant - all boys - but it did give me a good education." David went on to Queen's University to study Electronic Engineering and, after seven years and being offered a lectureship there, gained his doctorate. David had met Nuala on a campsite in Spain when he was a shy sixth former from Annadale and she was a 'sophisticated' undergraduate at Queen's. "I was 19 at the time", says Nuala. "so, I suppose he was my toy boy. All I knew was that we hit it off right away hundreds of miles from Belfast and light years from the kind of sectarianism that was the norm then." David remembers, "We travelled home on the same coach - yes, a coach from Spain to Northern Ireland and I was disappointed that Nuala had already arranged to stop off in London." His disappointment eased when he rang Nuala's home a couple of weeks later and they started going out together. 32 �There were problems connected with that, though geographical rather than religious. "We lived at the two extremes of Belfast", says David, "I mean North and South and without a car between us, we relied on public transport. Obviously, our parents worried about our safety in travelling across the city in such dangerous times, but we persevered and it was well worth it." "I think we knew pretty quickly that we wanted to be together", says Nuala. "We talked about what we wanted, decided what was best for us and got on with it. Religion was never a dominant topic of conversation", says David, "we never shied away from it, but we were always positive and our families were tremendously supportive." David and Nuala were married in 1992 at her local Catholic church, weeks after David graduated, in an inclusive service that saw David's rector, fully robed for the occasion, give the sermon. "It was a great day", says Nuala, "and one that augured well for the years ahead. Of course, we've been lucky, but we've also had to work at it - like all couples in all marriages - and the fact that our families are very similar was a bonus." Today, Nuala and David have two boys and two girls. "We feel that integrated education is the single most important thing in helping to bring about a shared future in this country", says David. "Our children, although baptised Catholic, attend either state or integrated schools and are all the better for it. I'm not sure how they would describe themselves if they ever thought about it", says Nuala, "baptised Catholic and their activities include 33 �Baptist Girls' Brigade, Church of Ireland youth club, Church of Ireland scouts and a Presbyterian summer scheme. As good a mix as you could wish for." "Being in a mixed marriage has certainly influenced how we feel about organised religion", says David. "We don't have a need to have either ourselves or our children labelled as one thing or the other. We are bits of all and we want our kids to dip into everything and just be happy." "The rituals and discipline of organised religion dominated a lot of my early life, but, even with the best of intentions, this was not what we wanted for our boys and girls." "I would advise any young couple thinking about making a mixed marriage to have the courage of their convictions, to stay true to themselves and to follow their instincts", says David, "and to cultivate their good, black, Northern sense ofhumour." "Most of our friends, half of whom are in mixed marriages, enjoy the craic and banter of slagging each other off about religion, about 'Prods and Taigs' and all the rest of it. That's the way it should and can be in a 'normal' society. It's fun and its healthy and, better still, it's harmless. We look forward to the day when it's like that right across the country." 34 �David & Nuala 35 �� Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Mixed Emotions (collection) Description An account of the resource Mixed Emotions is a collection containing 10 personal accounts / stories about mixed marriage (between Protestants and Catholics) in Northern Ireland. Nine of the accounts are based on joint interviews of the married couple. The accounts were published in book format in 2012. McLaughlin, Paul. (2012). Mixed Emotions: Real stories of mixed marriage, (Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association; NIMMA). Belfast: NIMMA. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA) Subject The topic of the resource Personal accounts / stories related to the issue of mixed marriage in Northern Ireland. Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA) Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2012 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Book Language A language of the resource English Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 10 Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. Yes (signed 13 October 2014) Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context ISBN 978-0-9571669-1-2 Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 8 Permission Form Scanned Non DC - Scan of permission form uploaded to archive. Yes Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. No Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Publication A book, article, monograph etc. Author Author of the publication David, and Nuala Date Type Publication, Submission, Completion date etc. 2012 Publication Title Full title of publication, as it appears on item. 'We don't need to be labelled', chapter in, McLaughlin, Paul. (2012). Mixed Emotions: Real stories of mixed marriage, (Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association; NIMMA). Belfast: NIMMA. ISBN 978-0-9571669-1-2 Publisher Location Place of publication: city / town Belfast Publisher Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA) Publication Type Report, Book, Manual etc. Chapter in book Publication Status Published, in Press, Unpublished, etc. Published Number of Pages 5 ISBN 978-0-9571669-1-2 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource We don't need to be labelled, by David and Nuala (story text) Description An account of the resource The text, in PDF (Portable Document Format), of one of 10 personal accounts about 'mixed marriage' in Northern Ireland. The account was published as a chapter in the book 'Mixed Emotions'. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Paul McLaughlin / NIMMA Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA) Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2012 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Text; PDF Language A language of the resource English Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Mixed Emotions NI Mixed Marriage Assoc Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Mixed Emotions (collection) Description An account of the resource Mixed Emotions is a collection containing 10 personal accounts / stories about mixed marriage (between Protestants and Catholics) in Northern Ireland. Nine of the accounts are based on joint interviews of the married couple. The accounts were published in book format in 2012. McLaughlin, Paul. (2012). Mixed Emotions: Real stories of mixed marriage, (Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association; NIMMA). Belfast: NIMMA. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA) Subject The topic of the resource Personal accounts / stories related to the issue of mixed marriage in Northern Ireland. Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA) Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2012 Format The file format, physical medium, or dimensions of the resource Book Language A language of the resource English Stories Collected Non DC - Number of stories recorded as part of the project. 10 Collection Permission Form Non DC - Collection permission form signed and returned. Yes (signed 13 October 2014) Identifier An unambiguous reference to the resource within a given context ISBN 978-0-9571669-1-2 Stories Deposited Non DC - Number of stories deposited with Accounts of the Conflict. 8 Permission Form Scanned Non DC - Scan of permission form uploaded to archive. Yes Delayed Access Non DC - Yes/No on request for delayed access. No Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Story Title The title, if any, of the story or account. We walked the walk Story Available Y/N Yes Story Format Main format of the story (video; audio; etc.). Text Story Source Source of where the story can be found. Story contained in the book: McLaughlin, Paul. (2012). Mixed Emotions: Real stories of mixed marriage, (Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association; NIMMA). Belfast: NIMMA. Identity Provided? Has a proper name been provided? If yes, leave blank No; forename only Interviewee Forename(s) Ruth Language Spoken Main language spoken during the interview. English Age Age of interviewee 87 Religion Religion / denomination that the interviewee was brought up in. Protestant Marital Status Marital status of the interviewee. Maried Birth Country Country of birth if mentioned (or make assessment based on interview). Northern Ireland Ind Permission Form Yes/No - Individual permission form signed and returned to Accounts. Yes (signed 12 August 2014) Story Abstract Text from any publicly available abstract which describes the story. "Ruth is a remarkable 87-year-old widow whose husband Pat died nine years ago. She lives in a bungalow overlooking the centre of the new city of Newry and despite facing heartache as a result of her mixed marriage, found forgiveness and happiness in more than 58 years of marriage." NIMMA. (2012; p.9). Themes/Topics Mentioned Major Themes/Topics first, then sub-themes and topics. Mixed Marriage Places Mentioned Places mentioned: cities, towns, villages, etc. Newry [County Down, Northern Ireland] Interviewee Gender Female Home Address If publicly available, record address (not house number) of interviewee at the time of the interview. Newry, County Down, Northern Ireland Children Any information about the number of children. 4 children Current Occupation Current occupation status of interviewee. Retired Status Details of status of interviewee during conflict (civilian; security force; combatant; paramilitary; political party; loyal order; etc.). Civilian Dates Mentioned Specific dates, or ranges. 1943 Ind Form Uploaded Scanned copy of paper form for preservation alongside the stories. Yes Ind Delay Access Y/N Y/N for individual story-teller delayed access request (check signed permission form) No Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource We walked the walk, by Ruth (story details) Description An account of the resource Personal account by a widow who was in a mixed marriage. Her story was published in the book 'Mixed Emotions'. Creator An entity primarily responsible for making the resource Paul McLaughlin / NIMMA Availability Online Non DC - Availabilty Status (deposited, delayed, external, cain) deposited Relation A related resource See also: Maguire, Anna. (2012). 'My family and community would have nothing to do with me ... because I married a Catholic', Belfast Telegraph, (2 March 2012). <http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/my-family-and-community-would-have-nothing-to-do-with-me-because-i-married-a-catholic-28721048.html#ixzz1nx58IYDz> Publisher An entity responsible for making the resource available Northern Ireland Mixed Marriage Association (NIMMA). Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 2012 Mixed Emotions NI Mixed Marriage Assoc