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                  <text>�Contents
Page

Introduction

111

Preface

V

Mixed Emotions- Foreword

Vll

Say all you have to say

1

We walked the walk

8

Family is the most important thing

15

Go for it and be happy

22

We don't need to be labelled

29

You two against the rest

36

A little tolerance goes a long way

43

xi

�Contents
Page

Our love encourages respect

50

Not enough Christianity

57

Love conquers everything

64

A short history of mixed marriage in Ireland

71

x ii

�Go for it and be happy

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�Go for it and be happy
Katherine is a former nurse who lives in the County
Armagh countryside outside the border village of
Forkhill. She is a widow in her mid-70s, but with the
vim and energy of a much younger woman. They are
attributes that stood her in good stead in the past.

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eighbours and acquaintances had a lot to say
about Katherine's budding relationship with her
future husband back at the start of the 1960s. "It seems
that just about everybody had an opinion about what I
was doing," she says, "from the wee Catholic woman
who called at my mother's house when the hairdresser's
next door was shut with her comment 'Get the holy water
missus for your man is as black as a pot', to the Protestant
neighbours who wrote to my future mother-in-law to say
that they 'had heard the dreadful news' and 'this would
never have happened if her husband had been alive."

That annoyed me a lot as the last two had said to my face
how pleased they were and that I was a 'lovely girl'. But
I suppose that when it comes down to it, there's no limit
to hypocrisy in this country. Especially back then."
Katherine and her late husband James (Junior) struggled
against the intransigence of the Roman Catholic
hierarchy for five years before finally being 'allowed' to
wed in 1965 . "We went through a heck of a lot and
persevered to get married in the first place back in the
1960s", she says, "but I can tell you now that I would not
be dictated to again and say to today's young people to
go for it and be happy."
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�Katherine was born on Merseyside where her father and
mother had gone in search of work, but, from the age of
three, she and her four siblings, lived in the
predominantly Roman Catholic village of Forkhill in
South Armagh. "I went to the local Catholic primary
school, then on to Sacred Heart Convent in Newry and I
can remember clearly that, from my earliest days, I
wanted to be a nurse. I even used to use a pillow as a
patient for heaven's sake."
Katherine's dreams of a nursing career took a knock
when she was struck down with rheumatic fever at the
age of 15 . "I was very ill for a time, but remarkably, I
recovered well and, thank God, have never had any
problems related to my heart." As soon as she was 18,
Katherine took the boat to Liverpool to train at the city's
Walton General Hospital. "It was three years of intense
training", she says, "very hard work and long hours, but
it was what I wanted to do and I enjoyed it." Her second
spell on Merseyside, ironically the same length as her
first in childhood, came to an end with Katherine
qualified and going on the hunt for a job.
She says, "Those were difficult times for Catholics and,
despite my seniority, I was forced to accept a temporary
position at Daisyhill Hospital in Newry. That lasted three
years, during which I had few rights and no paid holidays,
but, eventually, I was appointed to a permanent position.
It was worth the wait."
James or Junior, as he was known all of his life, died
more than eleven years ago, but his memory is very much
alive in the bungalow where he and Katherine spent most
of their married life.
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�"Junior came from farming stock. They owned a place
just outside the village of Forkhill and were Church of
Ireland people. He worked the farm and as well as
working with Catholics - it would have been practically
impossible not to in this part of the country - he also
socialised with them. He was well-known and well-liked
and cared not a scrap about anyone's religion. He liked a
drink, a dance and a bit of craic and even played football
regularly across the border in Dundalk."
Katherine and Junior's paths first crossed at a dance in
the neighbouring village of Jonesborough. "I'd seen him
before of course, but never took any notice. Yet, that
night, we just clicked and began going out together."
Their courtship, however, was somewhat different from
normal. "Aye, we used to meet up on the other side of the
border away from prying eyes and wagging tongues. All
the time, my mother knew I was seeing someone,
mothers always do, but she never imagined it would be a
Protestant. ' Wait until your father comes home' , she said,
and sure enough his contribution was short and not so
sweet; 'You finish with this character or your clothes will
be left at the corner ' . I was 24 years old, had a very
responsible job and everybody, but me, knew what was
best for me."
Katherine and Junior even split up for nearly two months
as a result of the pressure of the situation. "We thought it
best at the time, but met up at a carnival one evening and
that was that. I went home that night and told my parents,
'I'm back with James (Junior) and I'm staying with him'.
Their faces were a picture, but they knew I meant it and
that was the end of the opposition as far as they were
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�concerned. I'm afraid I couldn't have said the same about
my future mother-in-law. She hardly spoke to me, even
when we got engaged after two years. That was when the
nosey neighbours came into their own, but even the two
who wrote the infamous letter I mentioned earlier were
left red faced when I told them 'Our first-born will be
called Paisley' . One local wag, a real old bachelor
character joked about Junior turning his religion, but I
told him, 'The only turning he ' ll do will be in bed ' and
we all had a good laugh."
Unfortunately, neither Katherine nor Junior had much to
laugh about after that. They approached their local parish
priest and requested the permission that would allow
them to marry. "First of all, he assured us that there
wouldn't be problem", she says, "but then told us that the
new Archbishop of Armagh, Cardinal Conway, had
turned us down. I met privately with the Cardinal and
soon discovered for myself the cut of the man. ' You ' ll
never get the dispensation', he said, 'so go home, find a
Catholic fellow and forget about this one ' . I told him that
I would travel to England to marry and he said that he
would stop that as well. Eventually, he relented, if you
can call it that, saying that the marriage could take place
in Liverpool, but I dug my heels in and kept pressing for
a wedding in my home village. The best the good cardinal
could say was, 'I'll remember you in my prayers'."
Ironically, if Katherine had fallen pregnant at any time
during those long five years, the local hierarchy would
have removed all obstacles and married them
immediately. "They said that would be an 'excuse' to get
married", she says, "I knew I didn't need an ' excuse'."
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�Eventually, with the help of a priest in Carrickmacross in
Co Monaghan, the couple were granted the permission.
"It should have been the happiest of times, but once
again, the Cardinal attached impossible conditions. Only
four people would be permitted to attend the wedding that was us and the two witnesses - there was to be no
publicity, no photographs and no music. We were
devastated, but, thank God, the local priest allowed all of
those and we made the best of the day, despite the fact
that we were married 35 miles from home and at a side
altar." Katherine and Junior had a great day with family
and friends in attendance, although Katherine's motherin-law didn't travel for health reasons. "Six months after
our wedding", says Katherine, "a mixed couple from this
diocese were allowed to marry in Dundalk Cathedral
without any problems at all, but I think that money did
more than a little of the talking in that case."
"We were blessed with four daughters who were raised
Catholic, which was what both Junior and I wanted,
although, disobliging to the end, the Catholic Church
prevented my late husband's brother from being
godfather to even one of his nieces and we were told that
'No Protestant would be allowed to stand for a child in
this parish'."
Katherine and Junior were married for 35 years until he
passed away eleven years ago. "Even then, we had a very
ecumenical funeral. My late husband, at his request, was
buried in our plot in the Catholic Mullaghbawn cemetery
after a packed service in the local Catholic church at
which his own Church of Ireland rector delivered the

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�eulogy. We may have been dictated to at our wedding,
but the celebration of Junior's life went exactly as we
wanted."
Katherine is still a regular mass-goer despite the bigotry,
as she calls it, toward her marriage by many clergy.
"They were arrogant, very narrow-minded and
determined to get their way and it seemed to me that
things could only be different if you had money, but we
were just as determined, thank God, and fought for our
happiness and to a great extent, apart from the odd
exception, we were accepted by all. I would say to any
couple thinking about making a mixed marriage to go for
it, make it all you can make it and be happy. We did and
I'm proud to say that."

Katherine &amp; lames

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